Roma & Sandy Discuss Health Care Confusion

Roma Writes:
Sandy,
I agree there is lots of rumor, and exaggeration against the plan. I think that, and hollering and disruption of meetings is counter productive. It will only help to push the thing through.

• The article you send sites Medicare and Medicaid as examples. That makes my point...it is socialized medical care, and it is lousy. I know because my husband is on it, and so was my Mom whom I took care of. We have to purchase extra insurance so the thing won't bankrupt us or leave us without care for what it will not pay (donut hole as example). Plus it is due to go bankrupt itself. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/07/26/eveningnews/main1839288.shtml
  
• What has the Federal Government run successfully so far other than e-verify which it wants to get rid of? Every bill passed in the last few administration favors big business at the expense of the middle class (bail out money case in point). The Health Care bill will most likely be the same. How many times must we be fooled before we learn.
  
• Government interference is what caused the problem in the first place. Lets remove the legislation that caused the problem, and watch how easily it is solved.
  

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More importantly, if one reads the Constitution, the Federal Government cannot usurp a power not explicitly given it in that document (read Amendment X). The Fed is prohibited from providing socialized medical care...it is illegal. Thus if we give them this power, we give up more liberties spelled out in the Constitution. Is that what Americans really want?
http://www.answers.com/topic/amendment-x-to-the-u-s-constitution

Sandy writes:
Roma,
This is a very interesting article and worth reading. I don't believe anything I hear, read or watch anymore. But, these groups I belong to give me a better understanding that seems believeable in a lot of areas.

Sandy

Sent: Friday, August 07, 2009 3:43 PM
Subject: [AlternativeAnswers] Re: Obama explains elimination of private insurance

Dr. Bate,Like you said....As a Canadian I'm grateful for our health care system. In our current province we pay a bit according to income for coverage. Needy and poor people don't pay.I saw some pretty bad propaganda online against the Canadian system that was highly inaccurate. My friend's very old mother (over 80) just got a new knee that involved months of hospital and home care. Another friend has MS and she has someone come in and help her at home. She's in a wheelchair. She loves it. She's American but living here. My neighbor had a leg removed due to diabetes. He was dying of cancer though too. No idea why they thought this man was worth a $600000 operation when he was old and dying but he got it anyway. He passed away a few months later. Some unnecessary procedures are not covered and must be paid out of pocket. What I'd really like to see is dental coverage included since most disease is linked to dental health. In Germany a good portion is paid for by mandatory insurance (lived there for a while).Yes, at times there's a waiting list but if you had to pay for insurance you could just as easily think--okay I've saved $400 (figure my US friend pays monthly for basic insurance so not a totally random number) a month by not having to pay insurance. I could use that money and travel somewhere to get my operation. $400 x 12 months=$4800 a year. Over several years or a lifetime that would cover any necessary travel costs if you wanted to travel to another province with no waiting list or even to Thailand or India where the health care is very cheap and reliable. Enjoy some sunshine and don't get rushed out of the hospital as quickly.In a perfect world junk food would be taxed and users would not be eligible for anything but emergency accident care. Money would be used to teach mothers what to eat before pregnancy and during. Breastfeeding from healthy mothers would dramatically cut our health care costs by producing a new generation of healthy people. I could write a whole book about this, LOL!Just don't believe everything you see that's against government health care. At least our people aren't dying in the streets or claiming bankruptcy because of not being able to pay their medical bills.I recently saw on a TV show (online--I don't watch TV normally), that people with arthritis need to travel 5 hours to the nearest arthritis doc in Newfoundland. Ironically the woman in question showed how hard it was for her to lift a carton of milk from the fridge!!!! I'm sure everyone reading in the forum knows that arthritis is aggravated by pasteurized dairy. Why doesn't the clinic teach these people what to eat to stay well.In that respect the system is a failure because they pay for preventable disease and they also pay for vaccines.I haven't delved into the American plan in too great depth but I do have to wonder how a country that is so broke will be able to afford it. There are pros and cons to everything and people need to read the bill rather than believing what they see on TV.Sharon--- In http://us.mc587.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=AlternativeAnswers%40yahoogroups.com, Dr Bate wrote:>> Thank you Irene. Big Insurance and Big Pharma and the AMA are all huge > contributors to the Republican congress, and while they give "lip > service" to "reforming the health situation, it's just that! At the > same time, they are spending billions trying to confuse the people on > the issues.> > Let's look at some facts:> > 1. If as the Republicans keep saying, the government can't run anything > efficiently, what do the insurance companies have to fear? We already > have socialized medicine for government persons and the VA. Would you > believe that the "management costs" of the VA are down well under 4%, > while Big Insurance> costs are 25-30%. I'm a veteran that gets socialized medical care, and > I love it. > > The same for government run Medicare and Social Security, and I remember > the Tennessee Valley Authority. The Govt built it and ran it with the > cheapest electricity in the US, and making a big profit. Then > Republicans got into office, and they broke it up and sold it to their > friends and contributors. Guess what? It's not nearly as cheap now!!> > 2. Some of the ads have "dire stories" about how the Canadians hate > their medical system. LOf course, this is skewed along with a lot of > other information. If you ask a Canadian "How do you like your > system?" You'll probably get> a negative answer or gripe. That's normal human nature.> > However, if you ask A Canuck (or Brit, or Frenchman, or Italian.this > question, "Would you like to switch to the US system instead?" The > answer is a resounding "NO WAY!". I know as I've asked this question of > over 100 Canadians, and many Europeans. Ask the right question.> > 3. The outright lies used are ridiculous. The one about how the > government is going to somehow use your answers on the simple Living > Will to kill you as you get older. Anyone for Soylent Green? All that > portion of some bills does is allow you to question a MD about it, and > the government pays the MD for his time. > > 4. In a fairly secret poll taken of MD's around the country, it seems > that a majority of them are actually in favor of socialized medicine, > against the heads of the AMA. They're sick of the mismanagement of > patient care by insurance companies, and the huge cost of malpractice > insurance today. > > 5. BTW, I disagree with you Irene in that this is a subject for this > and every other group dealing with any aspect of health. Thanks to the > web we can get truth if we look for it. > > -- > Phil Bate PhD> http://drbate.com/ - Free Alternate Health Advice > > Neuroliminal Training (NT) helps solve > mental problems without drugs at low cost.> ADD to Autism, Insomnia to depression & more.> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]>
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